Mistake - Consequences and learnings

topic posted Sun, January 6, 2008 - 3:47 PM by  ananth
To err is human, to admit is divine...

This is hard to talk about, but here it is. A few years ago, a very lovely Californian blonde in her early 40s requested me to coach her on the esoteric mysteries of kundalini, its arousal, and awakening. She wanted me to help her unleash the energy through the classical tantric ways using a variety of sensual and sexual methods. She was married, and so I felt it would be highly inappropriate for me to use the sexual approach to kundalini movement. So, I declined.

She was very persuasive, very intent, and gosh darn it, very attractive. So I finally agreed to awaken all the energy latent in her, but through the most secret of all of tantric methods, one that is usually never talked about, written about, and whose use is not looked at kindly by the Goddess - yes, Sarpa Tantra - the path of the serpent. This is the non-sexual (no intercourse) tantric approach that arises awakens and moves the kundalini wherever you want in less than 5 minutes - the time it takes to get a non-fat, single shot, decaf latte at Starbucks. The method is conceptually extremely simple - the awakener (me), embodies, models, and personifies the kundalini energy of the awakened one (her), and systematically moves through each chakra physically. As I act the part of the serpent, breathing, hissing, coiling, and striking each chakra forcefully, her energy also gets the cue and moves, and soon her body starts to shake under the assault of my modeling the serpentine kundalini, and her own kundalini rising to mimic me. It is extremely fast, extremely powerful, and extremely dangerous to directly awaken the energy.

Needless to say, I took the kundalini all the way beyond the Ajna chakra between the eyebrows and into her head. She was shuddering and said the experience was more incredible than any sex she had ever had, and it put her in a state of mind she had never been before. I felt good, and I told her that I had unleashed her great psychic energy, and it was her responsibility to take the energy safely and do good and wonders to this world. I asked her to meditate, and then left the place.

What I had not realized was that I had put great power in her hands when she was ill equipped to handle the energy, channel it in peaceful ways, and transform the great power into happiness for others. She had all the intent, but had no practice or knowhow to do any of it. The consequences were very painful as I later found out. Her sexual appetite had grown a thousand fold causing her to create deep fissures in her marriage, and her focus in her professional life had suffered. Her health, especially her digestion and stomach were totally shot, and she was in an extremely precarious condition. Her marriage was on the rocks, and she was on the verge of a total breakdown.

When I finally met her, she squarely blamed her condition, mental, physical, emotional, familial, and sexual all on me. She said 'Ananth, it is all your fault. Even if I had begged you to release my kundalini, you should not have, especially in the most direct approach you used. What happened to your sense of responsibility? Why did not suggest some gentle incremental approach, but used an approach that even the books ban?"

I agreed with her. It was my fault. I had not gauged where she was in a spiritual sense, and in my eagerness to show her the extent of her own energy, and in a desire to perhaps impress her with my ability to awaken and move her kundalini in an instant, I had erred in a very serious way. Despite my belief in my own evolution, it was obvious that when an attractive woman asked me to move her energy far beyond where it should have gone, I succumbed to my male desire to impress her, and just picked up her kundalini and just tossed it around. It ended up causing her great havoc, and her family great trouble.

So I became more convinced that the tools I know, love, and use, were just not the right ones for most of this world. I also felt poorly that despite my own strength and sense of integrity, a beautiful woman had just made to do things that as a teacher I would have frowned upon. Sarpa Tantra will probably die with me, similar to how the five point palm exploding heart technique dies with Pai Mei in Kill Bill 2. The world is better off without people using tools of tantra to cause mental and sexual havoc in othes. Being generous, kind, and loving to all can take one to everyplace we need to go, and we can dispense with the tantric mumbo jumbo entirely.

I kept this to myself, and became very reluctant to teach anybody, but I thought that this is an important experience in my life that perhaps has lessons for some. So I decided to share. Flame me if you want, blame me if you want. I think I deserve all of it.

- Ananth Tantri
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ananth
SF Bay Area
  • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

    Sun, January 6, 2008 - 4:05 PM
    Seems to me as though the woman had problems developing in her life already. And you participated. I don't necessarily see this as your "fault". Whether you claim that fault is up to you and her, of course, but to claim it would fall under the category of dominance and submission in my book. Or perhaps under the category of stealing her energy.

    It's a sensitive role to take the one you claim to have taken. And the irresponsibility I see in your story is not in the awakening, but in the leaving her to fend for herself after having done so. Either you should not have awakened, or you should have been willing to see it through. The only error I see is in awakening irresponsibly and perhaps in claiming power that isn't yours.

    This is a classic story, btw, and is the typical argument about shaktiput.
    • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

      Sun, January 6, 2008 - 9:12 PM
      I agree with you.

      I think either I should have desisted from awakening, or should have stayed and been a guide.

      That is my lesson learned - don't commence that which you cannot complete.

      - Ananth Tantri
      • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

        Mon, January 7, 2008 - 9:24 AM
        In bdsm, there is a maxim I was taught early on - don't take anyone down if you aren't willing to bring them back up.

        I argue about this one periodically on bdsm boards as the top's responsibility isn't complete, nor is the bottom's. And there's always some question about how much is enough.

        And, for the record, I thought your original post sounded much like a troll also. I simply choose to treat people at face value most of the time.
  • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

    Sun, January 6, 2008 - 8:07 PM
    Ananth, if this is so "hard to talk about," why are you talking about it in multiple tribes? Is it possible that you have some other agenda here? Are you looking for students to beg, "Oh please! Oh please! Teach me your Sarpa Tantra so it won't 'die with' you."

    My reply to you in another tribe actually took you at your word for this post. I apologize for the error.

    Namaste!
    • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

      Sun, January 6, 2008 - 9:07 PM
      I posted my message on 3 tribes - Tantra, Bay area Tantra, and Shaktipat. All of these are related. I thought that those that practice these arts could benefit from my error.

      Obviously, you seem to consider these forums your private fiefdom where you can peddle your inane wisdom.

      Your attitude towards those that post is condescending, and your knowledge of tantra is so impoverished that it is particularly boring to read your inane pontifications.

      It is hard to talk about for me, and for you to question why it is hard for me is quite preposterous. To add insult to injury you further insinuate that I have other agendas.

      Let us pose the question - why do you adopt this confrontational attitude. Is it because of numerous other failings in your life, and an existence devoid of self esteem that you seek to gain a semblance of potency and respect by putting down others. Should you not accept your life, and fate for all it is, embrace your misery, and seek to alleviate your obvious suffering by being pleasant and understanding for a change?

      Consider being pleasant, supportive and understanding. It might be the only way out for you out of the great sense of shame you seem to be suffering from. Your abusive attitude indicates you yourself have been abused a lot. You cannot get over your anger, and shame by being abusive. Try being loving and understanding.

      - Ananth Tantri
      • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

        Mon, January 7, 2008 - 12:48 AM
        When someone says, "This is hard to talk about" and then talks about it in multiple areas, it obviously isn't hard to talk about. ''

        My attitude is condescending to those who deserve it and respectful to those who deserve it.

        I didn't "insinuate" you had other agendas, I outright stated that you do. This was detected by at least one other person in another tribe and posted there, and by unknown numbers of others who see through you.

        I am very pleasant and supportive. But supportive doesn't mean encouraging egotism, it means pointing it out so that people can, if they wish, choose to do something about it. It also supports all of the others who read it and are saying to themselves, "am I the only one who sees this guy's egotism?"

        Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not angry. It's very difficult to be angry when I'm laughing at you. Try being less egotistical and you'll get far more positive reactions from people.

        Namaste!
        • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

          Mon, January 7, 2008 - 3:43 PM
          "Your attitude is condescending to those that deserve it" - and just when did you arrogate that power to judge people? Your ego knows no bounds, and you have made it a habit to trample on anyone who might remotely question your pedantic inane ramblings all right out of a wiki or google search.

          You are pleasant support is neither requested nor expected. These forums are meant for those that wish to express and find words of wisdom and advice from others in helping them succeed in their chosen pursuits. When you are your band of sycophants hijack these forums to pretend to be self styled gurus armed with a couple of photocopied reprints and a google toolbar, it just gets a little over the top !

          I am you sure you are laughing as it is a common reaction of those that are attempting vainly to compensate for a lack of vigor in many areas of life of which you seem to have plenty of !!

          Instead of having your nervous fingers frantically and inappropriately touching the keys of your keyboard, why not try folding your hands in your lap and meditating for a change.

          Gosh, there is an off chance possibility you might actually realize something instead of glibly regurgitating the wiki

          - Ananth Tantri
          • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

            Mon, January 7, 2008 - 9:54 PM
            Ananth wrote: "Your attitude is condescending to those that deserve it" - and just when did you arrogate that power to judge people?

            It was when I was born. We each judge people from the first instant we can discriminate between parents and others. Everyone judges. The question is, "Is that judgement accurate." Nobody is perfect at judging others, but we each do the best we can. I make more mistakes in judging others than some, fewer than others. But when it is clear that I have erred, I apologize and change my judgement. So far, I've seen no reason to change my judgement about what you have posted.

            Of course, it is possible that you are really a pleasant, loving, kindly person and not the pompous, self-righteous, super-villain you make yourself out to be. (Arrr...I have secret knowledge that destroys people! But when I die, nobody will have it any more!) Perhaps, Ananth, long after we have each achieved our great samadhi, humanity will rediscover your secret, but only when it is ready and can turn the secret to good instead of evil.

            LOL!

            Sorry, Ananth, I have no "band of sycophants" (wasn't that Jimi's back-up group?). And the only one in this discussion who implies he is a guru is...you.

            You are right. I am laughing. I am laughing at your egotism and vanity. You've walked across the stage and fallen on your butt into a cream pie. And the more you squirm and protest, the funnier you are. I'm almost ashamed for tweaking your egotism. Almost. But seeing it broadcast with your inability to see it is soooo funny.

            But, too, it is also sad. It may actually be that you have something of value you could be sharing other that your egotism. Instead, we get little but your dogma.

            Some time ago I had the misfortune of seeing a TV show where two debunkers were denouncing Tantra. For part of the show they simply allowed one man, an ardent teacher of Neo-Tantra, to talk. He spoke rapid-fire and without direction. He looked and sounded like a fool.

            I haven't mentioned his name because I know him and know that he is a dedicated person. But he came off horribly. Perhaps, Ananth, you don't know the difference between sharing information and spirituality and simply displaying your ego. I don't know.

            On your profile, you write you want to, "reverse the two key evils 'dogma' and 'i' to become 'i am god'." Your posts imply that you already suffer from hubris. You're far too busy trying to become God. Start out by just being who you are.

            In several sects of Tantra, the key evil is neither "dogma" nor "I," it is the klesha of avidya, ignorance. There is a tradition of Tantra (I'm not part of it but am brother to those who are) known as the Pagal Naths. Like the followers of Gurdjieff, they encourage people to "wake up" out of the trance their are in. So Ananth, in the spirit of the Pagal Naths, in the spirit of seeking wisdom, I want to share just one thing with you:
            READ YOUR OWN FREAKIN' POSTS!

            If you cannot see the pomposity and ego in them, then you, like the person who was on the TV show, are simply a bad representative of Tantra.

            Namaste!
            • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

              Tue, January 8, 2008 - 9:05 PM
              And just what makes you a good "representative" of Tantra, or a brother to any of it...

              You seem to labor under the elaborate delusion that being surrounded by meaningless manuscripts written by a whole bunch of dead guys some how makes you an expert at - anything. Your wisdom seems boundless, and in diligently replying to every query and earthly topic discussed here, you reveal your deepest insecurity - of desperately needing attention, approval, and recognition. It is very possible you had a very difficult childhood with very demanding parents, and consequently felt abandoned emotionally. You must learn to forgive them and get past it. You will get all the attention you need. The Universe neglects none, and is like a benevolent mother. Learn to trust her.

              Your abusive tone suggest deep emotional abuse from which you have never healed, and under the guise of being logical, and objective you seek to continuously abuse and perpetuate the crime you suffered. Your seeking logic, and being rational is just a cover for you to continue the abuse you have suffered. No amount of tantra will heal you until you first learn to forgive those that have abused you. You are deeply scarred and continuing the abuse will only scar you more.

              Instead of laughing at you, or being mad at you, I feel intensely sorry for you. What a deep burden you carry, and what a strange veil of erudition you wear only to cover and suffer great shame and indignity behind it.

              Maybe over the course of time, you will throw away your pretenses of scholarship, logic, and erudition, and rip apart the veil of shame, and come to terms with your past, and yourself.

              I wish you peace and inner happiness.

              - Ananth Tantri
              • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

                Tue, January 8, 2008 - 10:24 PM
                I'd just like to apologize to all people reading this thread. It is clear that I have hit on some of Ananth's deepest "buttons," so he lamely tries to attack me, becoming more ferocious with each of his posts. As I suggested, he should read his posts to see what he is doing, but he is too frozen with fear to ever do that. Acute egomania and fear often go hand-in-hand, and he exemplifies this. So I apologize to all those who are seeing him fall apart.

                It is my hope that some day he gets the care he deserves and perhaps focuses on engineering, where he actually studied.

                Nameste!
                • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

                  Wed, January 9, 2008 - 11:53 PM
                  The more you accuse, the more you articulate your own fears...

                  I am not accusing you of anything... your apologies are to yourself... and not to anyone else...

                  The more you point fingers at "egomania", "fears', "frozen selfs" etc, the more you are revealing your deepest insecurities... I hope you accept them, and integrate them into your own self... despite your belief that your are flawless, you may be better integrated as a person when you accept your flaws...

                  The more you write about me as "focus on engineering where he studies" pretending to have a deeper private knowledge into my background, the more you reveal your lack of self esteem in yourself... you are a personification of the divine... you have to reveal no 'secret private' knowledge to feel good about yourself... you can be comfortable knowing some, and not knowing a lot... even the boundless skies have a limiting horizon... it is okay to be ignorant about a lot of things in life...

                  I am not ferocious with my posts... I am becoming deeply aware of your pain, abuse, shame, and loneliness... This is not said out of any desire to demean you, but being deeply aware of how you have been abandoned by your parents, especially your mother, how you have been abused by figures of authority, and how you lack self esteem in fulfilling the needs of those you love... You feel abandoned, and disappointed, and very lonely...

                  As you sit alone by your keyboard and decide how you can make other people respect you, I want you to know you are loved by the universe, and the great goddess accepts you in her loving hands... You must learn to forgive the abuse and your abusers... Come out of the lonely shadows and embrace the light... You don't have to appear to know everything, it is okay to be ignorant about a lot....Logic and reason are not the right veils for you to hide behind and not share your true feelings and failings...

                  Integrate into your life what you consider your greatest failures... they may not be as big as you think they are... you don't have to cover up your abuses and your shame... embrace them, and forgive those that abused you... you don't have to be self righteous and strong... it is okay to be weak and to cry a little... become human...

                  I am not your enemy... if you wish to be dominant uber-guru of this community, I will be most happy to let you be that... if that gives you satisfaction and fulfillment... Humanity is changed one soul at a time, so my disappearing gives you clarity, self esteem, and wipes out you sense of shame, it will be my pleasure to disappear...

                  I wish you great peace, fulfillment, and happiness... I hope you abandon reason and logic, and embrace love, failings, and peace. That is what really matters.

                  - Ananth Tantri
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                    Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

                    Thu, January 10, 2008 - 2:59 AM
                    You're right, Ananth, you're not my enemy. You are your own enemy by your refusal to look at the egomania in your posts.

                    Of COURSE your attacks are an attempt to demean me in order to support your own egotism. Your futile attempt to play amateur psychologist and throw words and concepts of which you have no understanding is sad at least, and most likely a textbook example of projection.

                    The only one here who seems to be trying to become the "uber-guru of this community" is you, especially with your claims of ruining others through your super-secret magical powers.

                    Before bragging more and exposing your egotism, I do hope you get into the therapy you so desperately need.

                    Namaste!
                    • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

                      Thu, January 10, 2008 - 7:02 AM
                      Contrary to what you think, I have no desire to demean you, attack you, or to play "therapist" with you...

                      I have come to have great sympathy for your pain... it pours out of you...

                      Your abandonment as a child, the lack of love in your life, and the abuse by figures of authority have left you believing you are disfigured and damaged. You are not. You don't have to be ashamed.

                      You don't have to resort to logic and criticism and abuse others to heal yourself. Not everything in this world is logical, and not every feeling in this world is understandable. You don't have to explain everything. It is perfectly okay for you to say "Gosh, really, I don't know". You don't become weak or undesirable when you say that.

                      Most of us have no clue. Those that had clues like Ramakrishna, are blissfully dead ! You don't have to work too hard to have answers to everything.

                      Don't feel guilty or ashamed about your past. Embrace it, forgive, let go, and look to the future with hope and strength. Let not your fraility be a crutch, but a guide.

                      Find peace in yourself, and please love yourself.

                      - Ananth Tantri
                      • Re: Mistake - Consequences and learnings

                        Thu, January 10, 2008 - 9:17 AM
                        LOL! Every one of your posts is funnier, and unfortunately, more desperate.

                        Comments such as "You don't have to resort to logic and criticism and abuse others to heal yourself" are just more of projection of yourself onto others.

                        Get into therapy for your egotism and delusions of grandeur before you harm yourself or someone else.

                        Namaste!

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