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One of the practices of Tantra involves male multiple orgasms This ability is achieved by separating orgasm from ejaculation. I have attempted this practice by following the text of different Tantra exercises (all roughly similar), and I have reached some "separation" ... except that it went the "wrong" way! That is, I end up ejaculating without orgasm, which is exactly the opposite of what I was hoping to achieve!
Now, it may be that this is actually a step forward... but it sure doesn't feel like it. I am wondering whether other men here have had similar experiences. I would appreciate comments from men who have tried this or from their partners, or anybody more experienced in tantra practices.
One of the practices of Tantra involves male multiple orgasms This ability is achieved by separating orgasm from ejaculation. I have attempted this practice by following the text of different Tantra exercises (all roughly similar), and I have reached some "separation" ... except that it went the "wrong" way! That is, I end up ejaculating without orgasm, which is exactly the opposite of what I was hoping to achieve!
Now, it may be that this is actually a step forward... but it sure doesn't feel like it. I am wondering whether other men here have had similar experiences. I would appreciate comments from men who have tried this or from their partners, or anybody more experienced in tantra practices.
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Re: Male multiple orgasms
Mon, November 12, 2007 - 7:57 PMHey Silvano, assuming you're talking about a retrgograde ejaculation, there's a thread on this subject right now at the Taoist Sex Practices tribe. A good place for information in general.
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Re: Male multiple orgasms
Mon, November 12, 2007 - 9:17 PMNo, I wasn't referring to the wrong direction of ejaculation, rather the "wrong direction" towards achiving non-ejaculatory orgasm.
I will check out the other tribe you mention. Thanks for the hint.
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Re: Male multiple orgasms
Tue, November 13, 2007 - 12:33 AMHi, Silvano.
I would respectfully suggest that male multiple orgasm is more oriented toward modern neo-Tantra than Traditional Tantra, but there's nothing wrong with that. There are some Tantric instructions, but they deal with such things as breathing patterns and eye motions and frankly, I only had limited success with them.
For men who wish to learn this, I suggest the teachings of Taoist alchemy as they do focus on this. Mostly, this deals with applying pressure to the acupuncture point known as circulation-sex 1. It is located at the perineum which can be felt as an indentation about half-way between the testicles and anus.
The technique is actually simple. Practice using masturbation. You should notice that you can easily start and stop, but eventually you will reach a point of "ejaculatory inevitability," where no matter what you do you will experience orgasm/ejaculation. Once you become aware of the sensations accompanying that point in time, JUST BEFORE you reach it, press three fingers of your hand strongly into that point.
With a little practice, you will find that the ejaculation is "short-circuited" but the orgasms still occurs. In my experience (YMMV) the orgasm is not as strong as one with ejaculation, but you can have many of them. Also, there may be temporary minor detumescence (you get slightly softer), but will recover quickly.
This is a combination of energy-oriented technique and physiology. With practice, you'll eventually be able to create the same effect as the finger pressure by just thinking about it. Daily kegel exercises can help in this.
Some 20+ years ago I read a small book that referred to this as the "Million Dollar" point. A web search for this should give you more information.
If you go to amazon and search for "male multiple orgasm," you'll find several books on the subject, including one by Mantak Chia.
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Re: Male multiple orgasms
Tue, November 13, 2007 - 1:02 AMThanks for the great post! I read a book on this some time ago, but don't rememeber the author. It went on and on about energy awareness and energy flow up and down the body. I suspect this was the standard tantric approach you referred to. I have read instructions similar to yours, both with and w/o the "million dollar" point. What I tried has been just with the PC muscle (kegel). My disappointment came from the fact that I managed to suppress the orgasm instead of suppressing the ejaculation. But maybe at least achieving this "separation" was a step in the right direction. That's why I was asking whether other men had experienced the same phenomenon. it seems like you didn't, and I will follow your suggestion to use "the point".
Thanks again for your suggestions!
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Re: Male multiple orgasms
Sat, December 15, 2007 - 7:08 AMDear Syl,
You may be squeezing your PC muscle to the point of countering not only the spasmodic muscle process towards ejaculation but suppressing your energetic flow and sensation! Orgasm is a sensation that springs from an alignment of the systems of the mind, body, and "spirit" energy. The optimum state is one of mind-less-ness or no-mind, spiritual-energetic clarity and intention, and bodily relaxation. Its this last part that might be interfering with your orgasmic sensation.
Much of sexual engagement that is commonly practiced and understood involves tensing muscles toward a goal of speedy orgasm. Muscles tend to tighten and contract during stimulation and high energetic sensation -and sex provides all of that in spades. Men learning that there's more enjoyment -and more opportunity for profound states of bliss and spiritual rapture- by prolonging the sexual experience want to ejaculate when they wish to and not compulsively.
When I practice ejaculation control I use breath and muscle relaxation instead of squeezing or clamping my lingam with fingers. I "practiced" until I could feel the beginning sensations of ejaculation -and orgasm- happen and in that moment I focus my breath in my groin area and take deep slow breaths and consciously relax the PC muscles. BTW, there are three areas the PC muscle squeeze can be focused: one around the anus, one around the testes and lower lingam, one around the base and upper lingam. It takes some practice and development of muscle sensitivity but you can learn to feel these muscles distinctly and localized to a particular section. Its the muscles around the anus that are easy to feel in the beginning, so make sure you are identifying the lingam area muscles when you practice releasing/relaxing them. The squeezing you are doing is not intended to stop the ejaculate flow with the pressure (so don't squeeze hard with the intent of stopping some flow) -its meant to help you feel those muscles so you know what it feels like to RELAX them when you feel the urge to ejaculate. This method is more difficult to learn but, for me and from what I've read, its a better method because it doesn't restrict sensation or the body's relaxed state for experiencing orgasm without ejaculation.
Orgasms occurring separate from ejaculation may initially feel weak or lesser in amplitude -and there will be more of them to experience in a session. As you have more experience this way the non-ejaculatory orgasm (I call them "energy-orgasms") will gain in strength and magnitude until you won't care if you ejaculate or not -the difference of sensation in the experience becomes negligible and the power of orgasm continues to escalate with the cultivation of the other aspects of orgasm: mental -no mind, spiritual-energetic clarity and intention.
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Re: Male multiple orgasms
Sat, December 15, 2007 - 5:05 PMVery interesting and quite different from what I had "learned"! And it makes more sense to me. Thank you for taking the time to explain so thoroughly!
-- Syl
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Re: Male multiple orgasms
Sun, December 16, 2007 - 1:37 PMSunyata, I believe that THIS is what I taught all those Druids at Glastonbury Tor (power place in England), by making love with many of them..... practice makes perfect!
Have you noticed that really great men, of genius and love and artistry, all know how to do this sort of sexual energy control, direction, and enjoyment? This could explain male genius and the more right-brained men of this planet.... example: the Beatles, Leonardo daVinci, Michaelangelo, to name a very few....
I do deep pelvic breathing and those kinds of muscle relaxations, too, when I get very aroused. I can come without touching myself.... or with! Learning to come or shiver with full-body pleasure merely by breathing and feeling the erotic bliss that is natural to all of life..... this is wonderful and a True Meditation in itself!
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Re: Male multiple orgasms
Sun, December 16, 2007 - 4:43 PMYea Linda!
Practice, practice, practice... *grin*
Pranayama is an essential and exponentially felt element in sacred sexuality. I reach energetic bliss through deep breathing, activating my lower abdomen and upper pelvic muscles, Cobra Breath also occasions high states of ecstasy -add to this sexual stimulation and energy "building" and climaxes of great intensity are experienced.
What I'm finding interesting is playing with this energy at this level. To reach these high ecstasy states and use them to receive/download the revelation and evolution of our soul. To awaken, be enlightened, and then engage as such in divine dance, energetic play, and co-creative intention.
At these levels of engagement there is a divine recognition that supersedes Mind chatter distraction -giving a clarity of Being that is grounded firmly in divine-human integrated wholeness and Confidence of Being. This is what Alorah and I call the Mythic Realm. Realizing the power of the archetypes that feed our "mythology" and by having a willingness to step into that energy with Egoic-detachment a nourishment of the soul happens -feeding us divine energy where needed that completes our integration and return to "wholeness."
...and its a whole lot of fun! *grin*
Love and Light,
Sunyata
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relaxing your way to Male multiple orgasms
Fri, February 8, 2008 - 8:16 PMMy two cents worth on MMO:
I gained multiple orgasmic abilities mainly thought learning my body in a very detail way. Detailed enough to know the sensations along every step of the arousal cycle from start to finish..being able to stay at each of those steps and proceed forward or retreive back.. at command (except for ejaculation..wich it seem to be a one way street).
I like the relaxation to multiple orgasms because .well more relaxing and calm and I can vary the style of orgasm. The multiple orgasms through PC muscle blocking the "pipes" works but it may lead to erectile dysfunction and it is a rather "brute" force to get semen to stay in their sacs. Letting go of some semen is good for testes and prostate health (well documented scientific studies show this already) since it get's rid of toxins that where not around before modern time.
Here is my suggestion.. try to figure out the best way for you to control your arousal states.. sight, touch, smell, sound, taste.. what not.. or a combination.. this way you know how to increase it.. and decrease alot or a little.. as the situation calls for... these are your inputs..
your output or feedback is your breath, your heartbeat, your physical arousal, your nerves, skin sensation, sweat.. your body sounds..fluids comming out..everything.. you have to learn how your body responds to stimulis..
after you know your usual stimulus patterns.. you want to control them to the smallest of increments or patterns..for example..control your heart beat to stay at a particularly higher or lower beats per minute (you can even get a monitor so you can quantify it and be able to change the numbers up and down at will), or increase your breathing rate or depth (fast or slow, deep or shallow breaths..etc)..you should systematically work your body so that you have control over all these feedback mechanisms..
Then, you will inevitable stumble upon the many stages of arousal and since you have some abilities to control them.. you will be able to inch yourself close to the point of no return..in such a way that you know what exactly will get you over the edge..
You will balance yourself so well that you can be extremely close to the edge, yet will be confident enough that you will never go over it if you don't want to.
It is near this hair-line edge and an earshot away from it, that you want to abide.. and become familiar with the topography of sensations..what control mechanisms work best there and simply familiarize yourself in that world...discovering how your body reacts to your stimulus (ejaculation without orgams is a very good sign you are in that "garden").
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